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The City of Lake Forest
Building Review Board
Proceedings of November 6, 2013 Meeting
A regular meeting of the Lake Forest Building Review Board was held on Wednesday,
November 6, 2013, at 6:30 p.m., in the Council Chambers of City Hall, 220 E. Deerpath,
Lake Forest, Illinois.
Building Review Board members present: Chairman Charlie King and Board members Mike
Bleck, Ross Friedman, Monica Ruggles, Ted Notz, Fred Moyer and Robert Reda.
Building Review Board members absent: None.
Staff members present: Megan Neuman, Planner and Catherine Czerniak, Director of
Community Development
1. Introduction of Board members and staff, overview of meeting procedures – Chairman
King
Chairman King reviewed the role of the Building Review Board and the meeting
procedures followed by the Board. He asked the members of Board and staff to
introduce themselves.
2. Approval of the minutes from the September 4, 2013 meeting.
The minutes of the September 4, 2013 meeting were approved as submitted.
3. Continued consideration of a request for approval of the demolition of the residence
located at 348 Scott Street and approval of a replacement residence, detached
garage, site plan and landscaping.
Owner and Representative: Joel Pickus, Highwood Capital, LLC
Chairman King asked the Board for any Ex Parte contacts of conflicts of interest. Hearing
none, he invited a presentation from the petitioner.
Mr. Pickus presented the petition noting that the comments from the Board were
incorporated into the revisions mode to the project. He reviewed the front elevation
noting that the width of the columns near the front door was increased and the entry
simplified with the removal of the side lites. He reviewed the side elevations noting that
consistent and aligned windows are now proposed. He stated that the most significant
changes were made to the rear elevation pointing out the addition of doors and windows
to the rear elevation. He noted that the porch on the east side of the house was removed
and access to the back yard is instead provided from doors on the rear elevation. He
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noted that the windows near the neighbor’s motor court were raised to minimize impacts
from headlights. He concluded noting that open eaves are now proposed.
Ms. Neuman stated that this petition was continued by the Board at the last meeting and
confirmed that the changes made respond to the Board’s previous comments and
suggestions. She noted that the Board’s comments primarily focused on the rear
elevation and the front porch both of which were modified as described by the petitioner.
She noted that this petition also requests approval of a demolition noting that at the last
meeting, there seemed to be a general consensus from the Board that the demolition
criteria are satisfied. She stated staff support for the project as now presented noting that
findings are included in the staff report along with recommended conditions of approval.
In response to questions from Board member Friedman, Mr. Pickus stated that the
driveway will be asphalt up to and alongside the house and then pervious material will be
used as the driveway extends beyond the house.
In response to questions from Board member Reda, Mr. Pickus stated that fiber cement
siding and trim will be used along with aluminum clad wood windows.
In response to questions from Board member Friedman, Mr. Pickus confirmed that a metal
standing seam roof is proposed noting that it will have a galvanized look and that the pre-
finished, metal standing seam gutter will be white to match the trim.
In response to questions from Board member Ruggles, Mr. Pickus stated that the open
eaves on the low porches make it impossible to install a gutter. He stated that only a
suspended gutter could be used which would be out of character with the farmhouse
style. He stated that the low roofs will not shed much water. He stated however that there
is a need to collect water from the higher roofs. He stated that some farmhouses use the
open eave element and commented that it is a nice detail.
Board member Ruggles commented that the open eave is more of an Arts and Crafts
element. She stated that it will be important to provide adequately detailed drawings of
the porch and eave details at the time the project is submitted for permit.
In response to questions from Board member Ruggles, Mr. Pickus acknowledged the
inconsistencies between the trim shown on the elevations and those shown in the detail
drawing s provided to the Board. He clarified that the “picture frame” trim will not be used
and confirmed that the window trim will be consistent on all elevations. He confirmed that
a small roof was added to the new porch at the back entry and confirmed that the porch
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will be detailed in the same manner as the front porch. He confirmed that the ends of the
gables will be open on both porches. He confirmed that the lite pattern of the garage
windows will match the pattern used on the house. He stated that a flat panel, painted
steel garage door is proposed. He stated that the garage man door will be a solid door
and stated that detail could be added to the door. He stated that hardi-board with an 8”
exposure is proposed for the siding on the house and garage.
In response to questions from Board member Notz, Mr. Pickus explained that the stair is
held off the wall and that the well that is created will be finished. He confirmed that the
stairway will be visible through the windows on the west elevation. He confirmed that the
canopy on the west elevation will have the same bracing as the front porch.
Board member Moyer stated that he is intrigued by the finer scale of the 4” exposure of
the siding.
In response to Board member Moyer, Mr. Pickus stated that the 8” exposure of the siding is
proposed to create less busy-ness given the simple farmhouse design. He stated a
willingness to consider a smaller exposure.
In response to questions from Board member Ruggles, Mr. Pickus stated that a streetscape
drawing was included in the last packet. He confirmed that the heights of homes on the
street are consistently about 30 feet tall.
Chairman King invited public comment, hearing none; he invited final comments from the
petitioner or staff. Hearing none, he invited final comments from the Board.
Board member Friedman commended the petitioner for responding to the Board’s input
at the last meeting. He stated that the proposed project will be an asset to the street and
neighborhood. He agreed that the overall appearance of the house may be more
successful with a smaller reveal on the siding.
Board member Notz stated that the revised plan presents an attractive alternative to the
original plan. He stated that the project will be a benefit to the neighborhood.
Board Ruggles stated that she is most concerned about the inconsistencies of the
materials presented to the Board. She stated that given the simple farmhouse style, the
details of the windows, doors, trim, eave and porch should be traditional character. She
stated that open rafters are not consistent with the farm house style. She stated that the
open eave detail is more consistent with the Arts and Craft style. She stated that she was
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interested in seeing a streetscape graphic because her sense is that the massing of the
front of the house is a little wide in comparison to other homes on the street. She stated
significant concern about the rear elevation stating appreciation for the addition of
windows to the rear elevation but expressing continued concern about the cascading
forms on the rear elevation. She added that the various pieces and attachments result in
the elevation appearing very busy. She stated that a more simplistic mass would work on
rear as well it does on the front.
Board member Bleck stated that the revised plans are responsive to some of the earlier
Board comments. He stated that the house will be a good addition to the neighborhood.
Board member Reda stated agreement with the comments of Board member Ruggles
regarding the need for consistent detailing of the windows, columns, trim and other
elements of the house. He stated support for a reduced exposure on the siding. He
stated that the petitioner can work through the details and consistency of elements
around the house with City staff. He stated support for the project.
Board member Moyer commended the petitioner for the progress made since the last
presentation to the Board.
Chairman King stated support for the points made by Board member Ruggles regarding
consistency of the various elements on all elevations and on the garage. He stated that
with respect to the exposure of the siding, he does not have a strong position, but
encouraged consideration of the comments from the Board on this aspect of the project.
He stated that careful consideration of the details is important on a simple structure.
Hearing no further comments from the Board, he invited a motion on the petition.
Board member Reda made a motion to recommend approval of the demolition of the
existing house based on the findings as presented in the staff report and incorporating the
comments of the Board and the testimony presented to the Board as additional findings.
The motion was seconded by Board member Friedman and was unanimously approved
by the Board.
Board member Reda made a motion to recommend approval of the replacement
residence, garage, overall site plan and replacement landscaping. He stated that the
motion is based on the findings in the staff report and incorporates the testimony
presented to the Board and the Board’s comments as additional findings in support of the
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motion. He stated that the recommendation for approval is subject to the following
conditions of approval.
1. The project must abide by all of the terms, conditions, restrictions, and provisions of
The City of Lake Forest City Code, and all other applicable codes, ordinances, rules,
and regulations.
2. Any modifications to the plan, either to respond to direction from the Board or
changes made for other reasons, must be submitted for review and a determination
by staff, in consultation with the Chairman as appropriate, that the plans are in
conformance with the approvals granted and the conditions prior to submitting a
complete application and plans for a building permit.
a. Permeable pavers shall be used, at a minimum, for the patio and portion of the
driveway by the garage.
b. Window details including consistent lite patterns, frame, header and sill design
will be applied to all windows on the house and garage.
c. Horizontal siding will have either a 4 inch or 6 inch exposure.
d. The design of the 2nd story eave detail will be applied to the porch and first floor
eaves.
e. The plans shall reflect general consistency of elements on all elevations of the
house and garage.
3. Detailed information on the proposed windows shall be provided with the
application for building permit verifying that simulated divided lites are specified.
4. A detail of the proposed porch column and beam construction shall be provided
with the application for building permit to allow verification that traditional detailing
is applied to the design, consistent with the Board’s direction.
5. A landscape plan shall be submitted and shall be subject to review and approval
by the City’s Certified Arborist prior to the scheduling of a rough framing inspection.
The City’s Arborist shall evaluate the plan to confirm that:
a. Existing trees and vegetation are retained and protected during construction
to the extent possible given the approved plan.
b. To the extent possible, the impact of the hardscape on the mature trees is
minimized.
c. The landscape plan shall be shown on the approved grading plan to allow
verification that no conflicts exist between the proposed plantings and the
drainage plan.
6. A pre and post tree maintenance plan prepared by a Certified Arborist shall be
submitted along with the landscape plan outlining the steps that will be taken, prior
to, during and after construction, to protect the mature trees in proximity to the
proposed construction including the large trees to the northeast of the replacement
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structure. The maintenance plan shall be subject to review and approval by the
City’s Arborist.
7. A construction material s staging plan and construction vehicles parking plan shall
be provided for review and approval by staff prior to the issuance of a building
permit.
a. Given the size of the property and narrow streets in this area, on-street parking
shall be limited to only two cars that may be parking in front of 348 Scott Street.
No other on street parking is permitted. Tree protection fencing may be required
by the City Arborist to protect trees from vehicles parked on the street.
b. Workers may need to park off-site and be shuttled to the property.
c. On an ongoing basis, any damage or rutting of the parkway in front of the
property, in front of other properties in the neighborhood impacted by
construction vehicles and across the street shall be repaired during construction
and after completion of construction; City inspectors shall verify that the
parkway is restored prior to the issuance of a Certificate of Occupancy.
8. Additional information determined to be necessary by the City Engineer shall be
provided to allow verification that the proposed drainage and grading plan
properly accommodates the amount of overland water that flows through the
property; this may in clude drainage calculations for the surrounding area showing
that additional stormwater runoff created from the increased impervious surface
area will not have a detrimental effect on adjacent properties or the roadway.
The motion was seconded by Board member Friedman and was unanimously approved
by a vote of 7 to 0.
4. Consideration of a request for approval of a demolition of the residence located at 29
Washington Circle and approval of a replacement residence, detached garage, site
plan and landscaping.
Owner: Nora McKinley
Representative: Paul Psenka, architect
Chairman King asked the Board for any Ex Parte contacts of conflicts of interest.
Board member Bleck stated that his company is involved in the project and recused
himself from hearing the petition. He left the Council chambers.
Mr. Psenka introduced the petition stating appreciation for the City’s process. He stated
that this presentation is intended to get the Board’s input on the concept developed to
date. He reviewed the existing house on the property noting that it is located within the
front yard setback. He stated that the property owner is requesting approval to demolish
the existing house. He stated that working with the existing house would require one or
more zoning variances and he stated that the house is in very poor condition. He stated
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that a structural report was presented to the Board identifying problems with the house.
He stated that the house has been neglected for many years and noted areas of water
damage. He stated that the house, as it exists today, is not a healthy environment and
stated that the owner proposes to start over with a new house rather than try to salvage
any part of the existing structure. He stated that the detached garage is ready to fall
over. He noted an oak tree and a maple tree on the site identified for removal due to
disease and poor condition. He reviewed the proposed massing and floor plan for the
replacement house and compared it to the existing residence. He noted that the
proposed siting of the replacement house is further from the street than the existing house.
He reviewed the preliminary drainage plan noting that water will be directed into swales
on both sides of the property. He noted that the proposed house is narrow to preserve a
landscape buffer along the property lines. He provided photos of other homes in the
neighborhood and noted the relationship of the side elevations to the neighboring homes.
He stated that the detailing of other homes in the neighborhood was used as a reference
for the proposed house. He stated the intent to generally stay true to the farmhouse style.
He discussed the double gable that is proposed noting other homes with double gables in
the neighborhood. He noted that the double gable accentuates the entrance. He
provided an overlay of the proposed elevation with an elevation of the existing residence
and provided a streetscape graphic depicting the general appearance of the proposed
residence. He reviewed the roof forms and proposed exterior materials including the
synthetic products proposed for the trim and detailing around the windows. He stated
that cedar shingles are proposed for the roof and copper will be used over the bay
window. He stated that a traditional door is proposed, a stone chimney and simulated
true divided lites in the windows. He stated that half round aluminum gutters are
proposed and noted that the eaves will match those on the existing house. He stated
that the garage will be constructed using the same exterior materials as the house. He
reviewed the elevations of the house and commented on the fenestration and massing.
He commented on the dormers proposed on the house and garage and acknowledged
the comments in the staff report regarding those elements. He stated that as proposed,
the gable dormers call less attention to the house than another form. He noted that the
owner and builder are available to answer questions.
At the request of Chairman King, Mr. Psenka passed around a sample of the proposed
Meritek product.
Ms. Neuman reviewed that this petition requests approval of the demolition of the existing
house and garage, and approval of a replacement residence, overall site plan,
detached garage and landscape plan. She stated that the petitioner provided sufficient
documentation to demonstrate that the demolition meets the applicable Code criteria.
She stated that staff recommends approval of the demolition. She stated that the
conceptual plans for the replacement house are presented at this time for Board review,
comment and direction to guide further refinement of the plans. She pointed out that the
detailing is important on projects like this where a replacement house is proposed in an
established neighborhood, a neighborhood in which the streetscape is dominated by the
front elevations of the houses given the small lots and the visibility of the houses from the
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street. She noted that the scale, proportion and detailing are important adding that
embellishments directly impact the streetscape. She stated that the Design Guidelines,
adopted as part of the City Code, require that new construction in established
neighborhoods be based on traditional design principles, be well balanced and
proportioned and have a sense of simplicity. She stated that the use of overlapping
gables has historically occurred as an embellishment for a front door. She noted that the
double gable is discussed in the staff report and noted that the petitioner presented some
alternative studies in response to the staff comments. She also called the Board’s
attention to the alternative of using shed dormers instead of dormers with a gable to
create better relationships to other building elements and to achieve improved
proportions. She noted concern about the door to the side balcony in relation to the wall
face. She reviewed that the Design Guidelines speak to the use of natural materials; she
stated that with this petition, synthetic materials are proposed for the trim and porch. She
stated that the Board has approved limited use of non-natural products in cases where it
has been demonstrated that over time, the materials retain a look, texture and feel of
natural materials. She stated that in this pedestrian oriented neighborhood, careful
consideration of the appearance of non-natural materials is important given the
prominent views of the front elevation from the street. She reviewed the site plan noting
that the proposed siting of the house is thoughtful and preserves space for a landscape
buffer at the perimeter of the property. She asked for Board comments specifically on the
scale of the proposed house in relation to the neighborhood and the detailing and
materials in terms of compatibility with the neighborhood and consistency with the Design
Guidelines.
In response to questions form Board member Moyer, Mr. Psenka stated that the gable on
the side elevation projects 2 feet from the wall.
Board member Moyer observed that based on the shadowing shown in the packet
materials, the projection appears to be less. He stated that a larger projection is better.
In response to questions from Board member Reda, Mr. Psenka stated that the garage
conforms to the zoning setbacks and no variance is needed.
Board member Reda stated support for the overall design of the house but commented
that the front elevation, both the house and garage, appear too busy.
In response to questions from Board member Reda, Mr. Psenka explained that as a result
of keeping the roof low, the dormers pop through the roof. He stated that if the roof is
brought up, the mass of the house will increase. He noted that more dormers could be
added, but noted that the effort was to keep the house simple. He explained that the
double front gable is intended to accentuate front door. He reviewed the front porch as
proposed.
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In response to questions from Chairman King, Mr. Psenka stated that synthetic materials
are proposed to simplify maintenance in the future. He stated that once the synthetic
material is painted, it is almost indiscernible from wood.
In response to questions from Board member Ruggles, Mr. Psenka stated that he has been
working with staff in response to the issues identified in the staff report. He stated that the
owner is open to considering the removal of the garage dormer and open to discussing
the possibility of changing the dormer on the side elevation to a shed dormer. He stated
that the intent is to keep the house true to a traditional style. He stated that the owner is
willing to consider alternate materials. He stated that the front double gable is intended
to simplify the structure, call attention to the front door and to differentiate the house from
other houses of a similar style.
Board member Notz stated two concerns, the first, the double gable on the front of the
house. He noted that the elevation is small and that the second gable does not serve a
function. He stated that the front door appears to have sufficient emphasis without the
second gable. He stated that the gable element should be removed. He added that
unless the dormer above the garage door serves a purpose, that dormer should be
removed. He stated that other than those items, he supports the proposed design of the
house.
In response to questions from Board member Friedman, Mr. Psenka stated that the
chimney will be constructed of cut stone with l imestone shoulders and a cap.
Board member Friedman stated agreement with other Board members that the double
gable on the front elevation adds busy-ness and is unsuccessful. He stated that he is not
as concerned about the dormer on the front elevation of the garage. He suggested
consideration of a pervious material for the drive court in front of the garage.
In response to questions from Chairman King, Ms. Neuman explained the comments in the
staff report regarding the balcony door on the side elevation. She noted that the door
appears awkward as it relates to the wall and overall elevation.
In response to questions from Chairman King, Mr. Psenka explained that the door provides
access to the small balcony. He stated that the roof would need to be raised to change
the relationship of the door to the wall.
Chairman King invited public comment.
Ms. Ann Morman, 25 Washington Circle, stated support for the design of the house. She
stated that she lives next door and that over the years; she doubled the size of her house,
replaced the foundation and gutted and rebuilt the interior. She stated that she is looking
forward to the new house.
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Ms. McK inley, the property owner, stated that she recently purchased the property
commenting that moving into town, from Bradley Road, would be beneficial to her. She
stated that this is her fifth construction project and commented that the plan presented is
a wonderful plan. She thanked the Board of its consideration of the project.
Hearing no further public comments, Chairman King invited final comments from the
petitioner or staff. Hearing no further comments, he asked the Board for comments on the
proposed demolition.
Board member Reda stated support for the proposed demolition.
The other Board members stated agreement with Board member Reda.
Chairman King asked the Board for further comments and direction to the petitioner and
staff on the proposed replacement residence and garage.
Board member Friedman stated overall support for the proposed replacement residence
stating that it will be a nice addition to the neighborhood. He noted that no variances are
requested and stated that there appears to be good attention to detail. He stated
support for improving the overall proportions including the removal of the double gable
on the front elevation. He noted concern about the bay window stating that it appears
inconsistent with the other elements on the front elevation. He added support for removal
of the dormer on the garage and the use of pervious material for the driveway in the rear
yard. He stated that overall, the project is successful.
Board member Notz commented that he is comfortable with the roof line and bay
window on the front elevation as proposed. He stated that he has no experience with the
proposed synthetic building materials but stated that they appear to be a suitable
alternative to wood.
Board member Ruggles stated agreement with the points raised in the staff report. She
stated that overlapping gables on the front elevation are typically not approved noting
that as proposed, the front elevation is not in conformance with the Design Guidelines.
She suggested that the front elevation be revised to achieve a more simple form noting
that with that change, the project will be more successful. She noted that some of the
alternatives to the double gable presented by the petitioner seem workable. She stated
agreement with Board member Friedman’s comments about the bay window on the front
of the house noting that it competes with the porch element and that something about
the roof of the bay does not work well with the rest of the front elevation. She suggested
that a simpler roof be explored for the bay. She stated that the petition should strive for
simple elegance. She stated that overall; the massing is good noting that the simple
gables on the rear elevation work well. She expressed concern about the dormer on the
side elevation noting that the alternative of a shed dormer sounded good, but the
alternative explored by the petitioner, did not work well. She stated however that as
presented, the gable appears too tall and the proportions are not quite right. She
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suggested that consideration be given to lowering the eave line. She stated that overall,
the side elevations appear to be well balanced. She stated that the Design Guidelines do
not support the use of synthetic materials. She stated that hardi-board is a proven
product unlike the others proposed.
Chairman King cautioned the Board that moving away from the Design Guidelines to
allow the use of synthetic materials broadly is a big leap forward and a departure from
previous Board decisions.
Board member Friedman stated that technology has advanced with respect to synthetic
materials. He stated that these materials stand the test of time better than wood and do
not check, split or warp. He stated that the materials can be painted.
In response to questions from Chairman King, Ms. Neuman stated that unlike hardi-board
which is a wood based product, the Asek material proposed for the trim and railing is a
plastic based, engineered product. She noted that the product appears to have a
plastic-like sheen. She stated that the Meritek product appears similar to hardi-board, but
noted that hardi-board is a more commonly used product. She stated that hardi-board
siding and trim has been approved by the Board. She noted that the hardi-board shake
product has not been approved by the Board because the product does not replicate
the dimensions of cedar shingles. She acknowledged that technology is continually
changing with respect to these types of products.
Board member Ruggles commented that the garage dormer is not necessary and adds to
the bulk of the garage. She stated that the garage is just as good without it.
Board member Reda noted that his initial reaction was that the front elevation was too
busy. He acknowledged that his fellow Board members articulated the reasons for that
appearance including the double gable and other elements. He stated that he is not
comfortable moving away from the Design Guidelines and allowing the use of non-natural
materials.
Board member Moyer stated that the proposed replacement house has many appealing
features. He stated agreement with other Board members’ discomfort with some of the
features and stated that the house will benefit from some improvements to the proportions
and some simplification in keeping with the small scale of the house. He commented on
some of the alternatives presented noting support for the verticality of the double gable
and questioned whether there is a dimension that would allow the concept to be carried
out successfully.
Chairman King stated that the project is off to a good start noting that it is sensitive to the
neighboring properties. He stated that is it nice to hear that a neighbor is excited about
having a new house next door. He stated that he is not comfortable with the proposed
use of synthetic materials. He encouraged the petitioner to make some revisions in
response to the comments and direction offered by the Board.
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Ms. McKinley explained that the reason for the bay window is to create a space in the
house for her grand piano.
Board member Reda made a motion to continue the petition to allow revisions and
refinements based on the comments, suggestions and issues identified by the Board.
The motion was seconded by Board member Ruggles and was unanimously approved by
the Board.
OTHER ITEMS
5. Opportunity for the public to address the Building Review Board on non-agenda items.
There was no additional public testimony presented to the Board.
6. Additional information from staff
Chairman King asked for a motion to approve the 2014 meeting schedule for the Building
Review Board. He noted that the early January meeting may be a problem for the Board
and suggested that staff poll the Board members about that date.
Board member Reda made a motion to approve the 2014 meeting schedule with
direction to staff to poll the Board on the early January meeting date and if appropriate,
re-schedule that meeting.
The motion was seconded by Board member Ruggles and was unanimously approved by
the Board.
The meeting was adjourned at 8:03 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Catherine J. Czerniak
Director of Community Development