BUILDING REVIEW BOARD 2017/11/01 Minutes
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The City of Lake Forest
Building Review Board
Proceedings of November 1, 2017 Meeting
A regular meeting of the Lake Forest Building Review Board was held on
Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 6:30 p.m., in the Training Room at the City’s
Municipal Services Facility, 800 Field Drive, Lake Forest, Illinois.
Building Review Board members present: Chairman Ted Notz and Board members
Robert Reda, Jim Diamond, Peter Dunne, Fred Moyer and Ross Friedman
Building Review Board members absent: Board member Chris Bires
Staff present: Catherine Czerniak, Director of Community Development
1. Introduction of Board members and staff, overview of meeting procedures –
Chairman Notz
Chairman Notz reviewed the role of the Building Review Board and the meeting
procedures followed by the Board. He asked the members of the Board and staff
to introduce themselves.
2. Consideration of the minutes of the October 4, 2017 meeting of the Building
Review Board.
The minutes of the October 4, 2017 meeting were approved with one correction
as requested by Chairman Notz.
3. Recognition of past Board member Mike Bleck.
Chairman Notz recognized the contributions of past Board member Mike Bleck.
He noted various projects that were considered by the Board during Mr. Bleck’s
time on the Board. He thanked Mr. Bleck on behalf of the Board, City staff and
the community.
Mr. Bleck stated that he was honored to serve as a member of the Board and
welcomed the opportunity to give back to the community. He stated that it is a
privilege to live and work in the City of Lake Forest.
4. Consideration of a request for approval of the demolition of the existing
commercial building and construction of a new commercial building for
Chase Bank. Approval of the overall site plan, landscaping and signage is
also requested. The property is located at 884 S. Waukegan Road.
Owner: 884 S. Waukegan Road LLC (Frank Mariani 50%, John Fiore, Jr. 50%)
Representatives: Jonathan Krissoff, Market Director Real Estate
JP Morgan Chase & Company
Tim Meseck, Vice President
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The Architects Partnership, LRD
Chairman Notz introduced the project and clarified that the Board’s role is to
consider the design aspects of the petition. He noted the Board does not have
purview over the proposed use of the site and noted the Plan Commission is
currently considering that aspect of the petition. He asked the Board members
for any Ex Parte contacts or conflicts of interest. Hearing none, he invited a
presentation from the petitioner.
Mr. Meseck introduced the petition and the members of the project team. He
noted that the intention is to fully redevelop the site. He reviewed the existing
conditions on the site. He reviewed the surrounding commercial development
and noted the locations of the adjacent streets and the railroad tracks. He
pointed out the three existing vehicular access points to the site noting that the
access points will remain at the current locations and the same traffic pattern
that exists on the site will remain. He pointed out that there is an access
easement across the property that benefits the Forest Square commercial
development to the north of the site and stated that no change is proposed to
the access easement. He stated that the existing building will be demolished and
a new building built generally, in the same footprint as the existing building. He
reviewed the pedestrian access proposed on the site and the planned
connections to sidewalks off of the site. He noted the location of the drive up
ATM and a walkup ATM noting that both will be available 24 hours a day. He
reviewed the layout of the building noting that the main entrance to the building
is located on the north elevation, similar to the location of the entrance to the
former McDonalds. He pointed out that the trash and recycling enclosure is
proposed to be relocated to the west property line to provide the opportunity for
improved pedestrian connections between Forest Square and the Chase Bank
site. He noted that the intent of the site plan is to create more of a cohesive
development with the commercial development to the north. He stated that
most of the existing trees will be protected and preserved but noted that one tree
on the west portion of the site and several smaller, ornamental trees along the
north side of the site, are planned to be removed. He stated that additional trees
will be added to the site as part of the redevelopment. He reviewed the
elevations and floor plan. He noted that clear glass is proposed on all four sides
of the building and commented that the building is designed to have four fronts.
He noted that the building was designed to support adaptive reuse, in the event
that the bank vacates the site noting that the building could accommodate a
retail use, a restaurant or offices. He stated that traditional exterior materials are
proposed and were selected to relate to Forest Square. He stated that true
depth brick and four inch stone veneer will be used. He stated that smooth face
limestone will wrap the building all four sides. He stated that the exterior materials
will include: residential sized bricks, cedar shingles for portions of the roof,
standing seam metal for smaller portions of the roof and copper clad gutters and
downspouts. He pointed out the trellis elements proposed on the east and west
elevations to help break down the appearance of massing. He reiterated that all
four elevations of the building are cohesive adding that customers will approach
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and view the building from all directions. He reviewed the roof plan, adding that
a 12/12 pitch is used all around the building. He noted that the dormers and
architectural detailing are intended to break up the appearance of mass and
create scale. He noted that signage is proposed on all four elevations with 20
inch letters. He noted that that a monument sign along Waukegan Road is
proposed as well.
Ms. Czerniak noted that this petition is before Plan Commission because banks
are permitted as special uses in the B-1 zoning district. She noted that special uses
require a public hearing and review by the Plan Commission. She explained that
the Plan Commission process is underway and as part of the Commission’s
discussion, the petition was directed to the Building Review Board for
consideration of the design aspects of the project before final Commission action.
She added that the Commission is interested in the Board’s review particularly to
assure that the project overall; the site plan, building design and materials,
integrate to the extent possible with the surrounding development and in
particular, Forest Square to the north. She noted that to date, the design of the
building has gone through considerable revision and refinement as the Plan
Commission process has progressed noting that the current design aligns to a
greater extent than earlier designs. She added that the Plan Commission also
asked for the Board’s consideration of pedestrian connectivity from the building,
through the site and to points off site for the benefit of employees and customers.
She stated that the present design presents consistently designed elevations and
proposes the use of natural materials. She stated that the petition appears to be
consistent with the City’s Design Guidelines. She asked for Board input on the
proposed fence along the roofline, widow’s walk acknowledging that the design
element is likely intended to hide the roof top mechanical equipment. She
questioned whether the element is successful from a design perspective and
whether further study should be done on ways to screen the roof top mechanical
equipment from various perspectives. She noted that the conceptual landscape
plan presented preserves the majority of the existing mature trees on the site
noting that retaining existing trees will help the new building to fit more quickly
into the streetscape. She stated that the building design and site layout appear
to achieve the goal of the Plan Commission by creating a building that could
serve other uses in the future. She recommended that if approved, once the site
begins to take shape, the exterior lighting plan and all proposed signage be
considered noting that the opportunity to view a mockup of the proposed signs,
in the context of the building, will be helpful. She stated that findings in support of
the site layout, building design and exterior materials are provided in the staff
report.
In response to questions from Board member Dunne, Ms. Czerniak confirmed that
as proposed, the signage exceeds what is permitted in the Code. She suggested
that in considering signage, it will be important to review the signage on other
banks in the surrounding area.
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In response to questions from Board member Dunne, Mr. Meseck stated that an
exterior lighting plan has not yet been prepared. He noted that there are specific
requirements for lighting around an ATM that will need to be met. He stated that
light fixtures will be selected to direct light downward and minimize glare or off
site impacts. He stated that he will work with staff to make sure that the lighting is
consistent with the City’s intent for this area. He noted that there are no residents
directly adjacent to the site.
In response to questions from Board member Friedman, Mr. Meseck stated that a
commercial store front system, a metal system with one inch glass, is proposed
with anodized aluminum, with a brown finish, to match Forest Square. He noted
that the top pane of glass will be detailed with muntins, fixed to the interior and
exterior, to break down the scale. He stated that the intention is to use as much
clear glass as possible on the first floor to create an openness and to assure that
the building lends itself to a variety of future uses. He noted that in limited areas,
spandrel glass will be used for security for the cash safe room, the data rooms and
the ATM room. He stated that the spandrel glass will be grey. He explained that
the second floor will not be habitable space, but the building massing is designed
for consistency with the surrounding structures.
In response to questions from Board member Friedman, Rick Swanson, consulting
architect, and the architect for Forest Square, confirmed that the inset dormers
have copper pans.
In response to questions from Board member Friedman, Mr. Meseck explained
that cement board siding is proposed under the roof overhang and will have an
applied stucco finish which will be durable and water tight, consistent with
commercial construction standards. He confirmed that the reason for the fence
along the widow’s walk is to screen the mechanical equipment.
In response to questions from Board member Friedman, Mr. Meseck stated that
the intent is to recess the mechanical equipment to the extent possible and
further conceal it behind a parapet wall. He stated that the fence was added
with the intent of further screening the equipment. He stated that alternative
approaches to screening the mechanicals can be studied.
In response to Board Member Friedman, Ms. Czerniak explained that staff is
interested in the Board’s evaluation of the fence and whether the added
ornamentation is appropriate. She stated that it would be helpful to have more
information about the location and height of the mechanical equipment to
understand they type of screening that might be needed. She added that a
simple metal louver screen, set back from the façade, has proven to be a
successful solution for other projects.
In response to questions from Chairman Notz, Mr. Meseck stated that from the
platform at the train station, the sight line would likely be at the roof level, not
looking down into the parapet. He agreed to conduct sightline studies to
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determine whether the roof top mechanical equipment would be visible from off
of the site.
In response to questions from Board member Friedman, Mr. Meseck reviewed the
site plan noting the location of parking spaces and the potential for sharing some
spaces with Forest Square to the north. He noted that employee parking will be
along the west property line. He stated that there will likely be some surplus
parking spaces. He noted that customer parking is located near the door adding
that convenient parking is important to bank customers. He noted that
preventing train commuters from parking in the lot could be a challenge. He
confirmed that the number of parking spaces exceeds the Code requirement. He
reviewed the palette of materials. He described the base of the building as
smooth, true limestone, 18 to 24 inches high, with a cap. He reiterated that the
intent is to use materials consistent with the Forest Square development to the
north. He stated that the exterior materials will include ashlar pattern limestone
and brick, both with a four inch depth. He stated that a cement fiberboard
material is proposed for the trim, for durability. He noted past success with
painted cement board but agreed that wood trim could be considered if
necessary. He noted that the downspouts are copper and that wood shingles
are proposed for the roof.
In response to questions from Board member Friedman, Mr. Swanson described
the planned insets in the brick noting the intent to add a shadow line and break
up the massing of the gable. He stated that the dormer material will be either
stucco or cement board adding that stucco, to match the Forest Square building,
is preferred. He stated that the dormers will be sided with cedar shingles.
In response to questions from Board member Diamond, Mr. Meseck agreed to do
further study to determine whether the ornamental fence along the widow’s walk
is needed to fully screen the roof top mechanicals. He pointed out that locating
the mechanical equipment on the roof will eliminate the need to locate it on the
ground, in a more visible location. He confirmed that cement board is intended
for the trim in the gable ends and for the trellis. He confirmed that the intent is to
keep the materials and the design simple and straightforward. He presented
various samples of the proposed materials.
In response to questions from Board member Diamond, a representative from the
sign company confirmed that low voltage internal illumination is planned in the
signs, not neon lighting, adding that the lights in the signs could be set to turn off
automatically.
In response to questions from Chairman Notz, Mr. Meseck confirmed that the
bricks will be laid individually, by a mason, and will be residential in size.
In response to questions from Board member Reda, Mr. Swanson confirmed that
the stucco will be true cement stucco. He noted that whether stucco, shingles or
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cement board are used for the second floor windows, the key will be to assure
that the material blends well with the other materials and with Forest Square.
In response to questions from Board Member Reda, Mr. Meseck stated that wood
can be used for the soffit and fascia, but noted that it becomes a maintenance
concern.
In response to questions from Board Member Reda, Mr. Meseck reviewed the east
elevation. He noted that the gable will be proud of the building by three to four
feet creating shadow lines that will add interest. He pointed out that the trellis
and plantings will also add interest without making the elevation too
complicated. He noted that the landscaping on the overall site will include
ground plantings and ornamental trees. He stated the intent to preserve the tree
near the drive thru. He pointed out the landscaped courtyard with seating. He
stated that irrigation will be installed to help the plantings to thrive.
Board member Moyer complimented the choice of exterior materials and the
color palette. He noted that in his opinion, the fencing along the widow’s walk
relates nicely to the east elevation and adds dimensional variation. He noted
that the fencing provides relief from the large roof and appears small and
tasteful. He questioned whether the length of the fencing could be diminished on
the north elevation noting that the fencing is most successful on the east
elevation. He commented on the proposed signage noting that Lake Forest has
a tradition of limiting signage to no more than necessary to identify a business or
institution. He observed that as proposed, the signage appears to fall into the
category of advertising, rather than simply identification. He stated that signage
is appropriate on the north and east façades because there is traffic in those
areas. He suggested that consideration should be given to eliminating the
signage proposed for the south and west sides of the building. He stated that the
building would benefit from having less signage.
In response to questions from Board member Moyer, Mr. Meseck, explained that
the ATM lane can accommodate three vehicles, the number expected at peak
times. He added that a walk up ATM is available in the building lobby as well and
is accessible to customers after hours. He stated that if the vehicle drive thru
cannot accommodate the demand, there is space to activate a second lane.
Board member Moyer stated appreciation for the plans to enhance the
landscaping on the site but noted that there is a lot of pavement. He suggested
consideration of narrowing the drive thru lane since, as currently configured, it
appears to be able to accommodate about seven vehicles. He stated that if the
entrance to the drive thru lane was narrowed, the size of the courtyard and green
space on the site could be increased. He noted that there would still be room to
add a second ATM if needed in the future.
In response to questions from Board member Moyer, Mr. Meseck agreed that the
entrance to the drive thru lane could be throttled down to allow expansion of the
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green space and to narrow the exposure of pedestrians crossing the drive lane.
He agreed that the pedestrian crosswalk could be identified in some way but
noted that a raised surface will cause problems during snow plowing. He agreed
to consider brick pavers as accents or banding in courtyard seating area.
Board member Moyer stated that the changes discussed will make the site more
pedestrian friendly and the courtyard more inviting.
In response to Chairman Notz, Mr. Meseck confirmed that the second floor space
will not be built out at the outset however, the building will be constructed to
accommodate a second floor buildout if needed for a future use. He stated that
the dormers will be usable for a future second floor space. He stated that the
grey spandrel glass planned for limited areas on the first floor could be replaced
with clear glass in the future if desired.
Chairman Notz agreed with Board member Moyer’s suggestion to explore
reducing the width of the ATM access lane. He suggested incorporating a
pedestrian friendly bump out on the courtyard side of the drive lane.
In response to Chairman Notz’s suggestion, Mr. Meseck stated that he will need to
confirm that the turning radius is workable before determining how best to narrow
the driveway.
Chairman Notz observed that the north and south elevations are likely to be more
visible than the east elevation. He stated that in his opinion, the east elevation as
proposed provides sufficient interest and detailing.
Board member Friedman noted that the east elevation will be visible from the
Sunset Foods parking lot. He agreed with Board member Reda’s observation that
the east elevation lacks the level of interest found on the other elevations. He
suggested that there may be an opportunity to add a dormer above the first floor
window on the east elevation to break up the roof.
In response to Board member Friedman’s suggestions, Mr. Swanson suggested
that an architectural element could be added to the east elevation but noted
concern about adding a dormer similar in size to those on the north elevation
noting that it could be overwhelming on the east elevation.
Board member Friedman suggested that playing off the arched element could
be successful. He asked that further study of the east elevation be done to
determine whether additional detailing is appropriate of appears to be too
much. He stated that a final decision about whether or not to further detail the
east elevation could be left to staff or a Board subcommittee.
In response to a question from Chairman Notz, Mr. Krissoff stated that Chase will
have a 20 year lease with an additional 20 year option.
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Hearing no further questions from the Board, Chairman Notz invited public
comments.
Steve Douglass, 460 Washington Road, stated that he represents the owners of
Forest Square and noted that they are in total support of the petition. He
applauded the petitioner for listening to the Plan Commission and revising the
building design and materials to fit within the context of the surrounding area. He
complimented the petitioner for consulting Rick Swanson, the architect for Forest
Square and the Lovell’s building, in an effort to make sure that the design was
complimentary to the area. He noted that the prior design was well done, but
noted that the building was clearly designed for a bank and not necessarily
adaptable to alternate uses. He stated that the design now presented lends itself
to future adaptability. He observed that with respect to the east elevation, there
is articulation that is not clearly portrayed by the two dimensional drawing of the
elevation. He emphasized that the articulation of the masses on the east
elevation will be clearly visible when the building is constructed. He noted that
the roof recedes away from the plane of the wall and will appear lower and
more appropriately scaled than in the drawings. He stated that in his opinion, the
east elevation does not need additional ornamentation. He commended the
simplicity of the design. He noted that the brick color portrayed by the rendering
appears more compatible with the surrounding buildings than the brick sample
presented to the Board. He noted that the brick on Forest Square has more
variation of tones than the sample and as a result, adds great depth to the
appearance. He stated that he was contacted by Mr. Meseck and had several
conversations and a meeting to discuss opportunities for improved pedestrian
connections between Forest Square and the Chase Bank site. He stated support
for increased lighting in the parking lot. He stated that tenants in Forest Square
have found that signage on the west elevation of the building has resulted in
business from people getting off of the train. He stated that signage on all four
elevations of the bank could be beneficial. He stated that cement fiber board
will be easier to maintain than wood noting current maintenance issues with the
wood trim and detailing at Forest Square. He applauded the efforts of the
petitioners.
Ruth Widstrom, stated that she lives north of Sunset Foods and noted that she
frequently walks in the area and appreciates the consideration given to
pedestrian connections. She suggested that provisions be made for parking and
securing bicycles to encourage employees and customers to bike as an
alternative to cars. She noted that the ATM is located further east than the former
McDonalds’ drive thru potentially making it more difficult to see pedestrians when
pulling away from the ATM and out of the site. She noted that at times, cars
queue up on the east side of the railroad tracks to pick up passengers and
wanted to make sure that Chase Bank is aware of the added traffic flow that can
be caused by cars waiting for the train. She suggested that the Chase Bank sign
facing the railroad tracks say “Lake Forest” noting that for those who are not
regular train commuters, the sign could be helpful to identify the stop. She stated
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that the City encourages native plantings and expressed her hope that Chase
Bank will consider native plantings.
Mr. Mariani, property owner, stated that the landscape plan is still evolving and
stated agreement with Ms. Widstrom noting that native plants will be used to a
great extent.
Pam Bird, a resident on Lynette Drive, stated that she lives two blocks south of the
building. She asked that the lighting on the signs be kept low.
Hearing no further public comment, Chairman Notz invited response to public
comment from the petitioners.
Mr. Meseck stated appreciation for the comments noting that the process to
date has resulted in improvements to the plan. He stated that Chase Bank is
willing to meet the recommended conditions of approval and consider the
comments offered by Board and members of the public.
Chairman Notz invited final questions and comments from the Board.
Board member Reda stated that the demolition meets the applicable criteria. He
stated support for the overall site plan, the building design and the exterior
materials subject to the conditions recommended by staff and the comments
offered by the Board. He stated that action on the lighting and signage should
be deferred until the site begins to take shape.
Board member Diamond agreed with the comments of Board member Reda.
Board member Friedman stated that he supports the exterior materials as
proposed noting that for residential installations, natural materials should be used
but noted that commercial buildings warrant the use of some products that are
more durable. He stated that he staff should review some alternate options for
the east elevation of the building.
Chairman Notz stated that a sightline study from the train station platform should
be completed to assure that the roof top mechanicals are screened from that
perspective as well as from various points on the ground. He stated that the
Board is extremely sensitive to views of mechanical equipment. He stated that
the ornamental railing at the widow’s peak does not appear to be inconsistent
with the overall design, but also, does not seem essential to the design. He
complimented the overall design and noted that the hard work put into the
project is evident. He stated that the proposed development is integrated with
and harmonious to Forest Square. He wished the petitioners the best of luck.
Board member Reda made a motion to recommend approval of the demolition
of the existing building based on the findings in the staff report.
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The motion was seconded by Board member Friedman and was approved by a
vote of 6 to 0.
Board member Reda made a motion to recommend deferral of action on the
exterior lighting and signage components of the petition until more detailed
information is available and until the building begins to take shape to allow
mockups of the proposed signs to be viewed by the Board.
The motion was seconded by Board member Friedman and was approved by a
vote of 6 to 0.
Board member Reda made a motion to recommend approval of the overall site plan,
the building design, exterior materials and the conceptual landscape plan based on
the findings detailed in the staff report and subject to the following conditions of
approval.
1. No portion of the building, including any decorative or screening
elements, shall exceed 35 feet.
2. Further study shall be conducted on the railing at the widow’s walk, in
particular, on the north elevation and consideration shall be given to
further detailing of the east elevation. Final approval of these elements
is delegated to staff, in consultation with the Chairman as determined to
be appropriate.
Any other revisions to the plans resulting from final design development
or in response to comments offered by the Board or members of the
public shall be clearly called out on the plans. Copies of the plans
submitted to the Board shall be submitted along with final the plans
submitted for permit with areas of change highlighted.
3. Brick and stone veneer must be a minimum of four inches thick and shall
be installed on site. The stone shall be true stone, not cast stone. Use of
pre-fabricated panels is not permitted. True cement stucco shall be
used on the dormers.
4. Detailed sightline studies shall be completed of the roof top mechanical
equipment. The mechanical equipment shall be selected to fit within
the parapet and must be fully screened from offsite views including from
the train station platform.
5. The location of the downspouts shall be reflected on the drawings
submitted for permit and shall be subject to review and approval by
staff. The downspouts shall be located to avoid disrupting the symmetry
of the building elevations.
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6. The specific fixtures for the four decorative coach lights, two each on
the north and south elevations, shall be submitted along with the plans
submitted for permit. The source of the light shall be shielded from direct
view. The lights shall be turned off after business hours.
7. Detailed drawings of the trash and recycling enclosure shall be included
at the time the building plans are submitted for permit and will be
subject to review and approval by staff. The enclosure shall provide
adequate screening and keep the area secure. The enclosure shall be
constructed of materials that are generally consistent with those used in
construction of the building.
8. The entrance to the drive thru lane shall be reduced in width and, to the
extent possible, the courtyard area increased in size. The pedestrian
crossing shall be narrowed and delineated in some way to enhance the
safety and comfort of pedestrians.
9. The final landscape plan shall be subject to review and approval by the
City’s Certified Arborist. Native plantings shall be considered.
10. The mature trees on the site shall be protected and preserved as
directed by the City’s Certified Arborist.
The motion was seconded by Board member Diamond and approved by a vote
of 6 to 0.
OTHER ITEMS
4. Opportunity for the public to address the Building Review Board on non-agenda
items.
There was no additional public testimony presented to the Board.
5. Additional information from staff.
There was no additional information presented by staff.
The meeting was adjourned at 7:56 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Catherine J. Czerniak
Director of Community Development