BUILDING REVIEW BOARD 2017/10/04 MinutesPage 1 of 12
October 4, 2017
The City of Lake Forest
Building Review Board
Proceedings of October 4, 2017 Meeting
A regular meeting of the Lake Forest Building Review Board was held on
Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 7:30 p.m., in the Training Room at the City’s
Municipal Services Facility, 800 Field Drive, Lake Forest, Illinois.
Building Review Board members present: Chairman Ted Notz and Board members
Robert Reda, Jim Diamond and Ross Friedman
Building Review Board members absent: Board members Peter Dunne, Chris Bires
and Fred Moyer
Staff present: Catherine Czerniak, Director of Community Development
1. Introduction of Board members and staff, overview of meeting procedures –
Chairman Notz
Chairman Notz reviewed the role of the Building Review Board and the meeting
procedures followed by the Board. He asked the members of the Board and staff
to introduce themselves.
2. Consideration of the minutes of the September 6, 2017 meeting of the Building
Review Board.
The minutes of the September 6, 2017 meeting were approved with one
correction as requested by Chairman Notz.
3. Continued consideration of a request for approval of architectural designs and
exterior materials for homes to be constructed on Lots 1 – 26 of the Westleigh
Farm Subdivision. Approval of the color palette and anti-monotony
parameters is also requested. The Westleigh Farm Subdivision is located on the
southwest corner of Route 60 and Ridge Road.
Owner: North Shore Builders (Ryan Building Group, Inc., 100%)
Representatives: Jeff Mulcrone, BSB Design
Chairman Notz asked the Board for any Ex Parte contacts or conflicts of interest.
Hearing none, he invited a presentation from the petitioner.
Mr. Wynsma noted that as a follow up to the Board’s discussion at that last
meeting, his group reviewed the Board’s comments, refined the architectural
details and gave additional thought to the exterior materials.
Mr. Mulcrone, project architect, reviewed the site plan noting the openness of the
site and the distance between the rear elevations of the homes across the
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orchard, over 500 feet in some cases. He noted that due to the grade change
on the site, depending on the lot, there will be different options for the rear
elevations. He noted that because of the layout of the subdivision, front facades
of the homes do not face each other. He stated that every home will have a
view of the lake or the orchard. He noted the locations where the lodge and
stable will be reconstructed. He presented a typical streetscape noting how
homes will relate to each other and the opportunities for front and side load
garages, and two and three car garages. He stated that the anti-monotony
parameters, together with the different lot configurations, will assure variety and
individualization of each home. He stated that the intent is to build 26 different
homes on the site. He stated that since the last meeting, all elevations of each
architectural style were reviewed, refined and simplified. He stated that efforts
were made to align detailing with the historical context of the site and each
architectural style. He noted that the number of gables on the Colonial Revival
home was reduced and the multicolor siding eliminated. He stated that the
number of exterior materials was reduced and more natural materials are now
proposed. He stated that the detailing was simplified and the dormers refined to
be more historically accurate. He noted that window patterns were refined for
consistency with the style. He stated that the Shingle Cottage was also simplified
noting that the siding is now consistent on all four elevations. He noted the use of
simulated divided lite windows, tapered columns, and true cement stucco. He
reviewed the Farmhouse Revival style home noting that wood, rather than a
synthetic product, is now proposed for the board and batten siding and true
stone will be used. He pointed out that the width of the panels of the accent
roofs over the porches and dormers was reduced to 12 inches to achieve more of
a craftsman look. He reviewed the options for the rear elevations depending on
the siting of the house and grades of the lot. He noted that buyers will be able to
choose from various options: a covered porch on the master bedroom or great
room, garage orientations, and brick and stone fireplaces and chimneys. He
presented 12 color palettes that will be offered.
Ms. Czerniak noted that the Westleigh Farm subdivision is located on the last,
large, centrally located property in Lake Forest. She noted that the site is
prominent and that the development has the potential to be extraordinary given
the open space and the topography. She noted that as presented by the
petitioners, the four architectural styles and various options are intended to
provide the opportunity for significant variation among homes within the
development. She explained that after approval of the architectural designs,
options and exterior materials by the Board and City Council, City staff will work
with the developer to assure that the anti-monotony parameters are followed as
plans for each home are submitted for permit. She noted that the developer has
responded to the comments offered at the last Board meeting with refinements
and revisions to the plans. She noted that the designs have been simplified and
that some changes to exterior materials were made. She stated that the goal is
that ultimately, the development appears as a neighborhood that has evolved
over time with a timeless character and a sense of place. She stated that the
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development is unique in that none of the homes will be located directly across
the street from other homes. She noted that the petitioner provided additional
information on the options for the rear elevations and reiterated that the rear
elevations will likely have limited visibility from other homes due to the expansive,
central open space which will be planted with an orchard. She commended the
change made since the last meeting, from synthetic to true cement stucco. She
noted continued staff concern about the proposed use of vinyl windows rather
than wood, metal clad, or fiberglass windows. She stated that simulated divided
lites windows, with a spacer bar between the glass, are consistent with previous
Board approvals. She stated that based on the City’s design guidelines, chimneys
are an essential element to remain true to the selected architectural styles. She
stated that staff recommends that chimneys be required, not an option
presented to buyers. She suggested that given the number of homes that will be
constructed based on approval of the plans now before the Board, final review of
the details by a Board subcommittee would be appropriate. She stated that to
assure variety, the Board may want to consider whether the Anti-monotony
Parameters should establish a maximum number of homes of a particular
architectural style if the Board wants to assure that all of the four styles are
represented in some number. She noted that in response to a request from the
Board, the petitioner provided color palettes. She noted that the color palettes
are subtle earth tones consistent with the Design Guidelines, but noted that there
appears to be an overall monotone to the palettes. She suggested that an
option for one or two stronger color palettes may be appropriate. She noted that
the options for two and three car garages, and front load and side load garages
will add variety to the streetscape. She noted that options for the garages will be
limited to some extent by the configuration of the lots. She stated that staff
recommends approval of the petition based on the findings in the staff report
and subject to the conditions of approval detailed in the staff report. She
reiterated the recommendation for the appointment of a Board subcommittee
given the magnitude of this petition.
In response to questions from Board member Diamond, Mr. Mulcrone described
the proposed shutters noting that they proposed to be wood injected with resins
for durability, also referred to as engineered wood. He stated that it is a
maintenance free product. He noted that the wood shutters will be available in a
variety of styles. He provided samples of the stone and shingles.
In response to questions from Board member Diamond, Mr. Wynsma explained
that the use of architectural shingles, rather than cedar shingles, is a response to
the market.
Bill Ryan, William Ryan Homes, noted that the designs and materials proposed are
generally consistent with homes in nearby neighborhoods. He noted that the
roofs on homes along Ridge Road are predominately asphalt shingles, many
standard shingles, rather than architectural shingles.
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In response to questions from the Board, Mr. Mulcrone reviewed the proposed
Hardi-board siding materials.
In response to questions from Chairman Notz, Mr. Ryan explained that engineered
wood is not proposed for siding but for trim, posts, and accent elements.
In response to questions from Board member Diamond, Mr. Mulcrone clarified that
the engineered wood is not an inexpensive product and is durable, stable, holds
color well and requires less maintenance than true wood.
In response to questions from Board member Diamond, Ms. Czerniak confirmed
that the Board has previously approved the use of Hardi-board for horizontal,
clapboard siding, but not Hardi-board shakes.
Mr. Ryan explained that the use of Hardi-board is consistent with the goal of
offering a maintenance-light community. He noted that the homeowners will be
responsible for maintenance of their homes and properties.
In response to questions from Board member Diamond, Mr. Mulcrone showed an
example of the vertical board and batten siding. He noted that it has depth, a
profile and a textured wood grain finish.
In response to questions from Chairman Notz, Mr. Mulcrone stated that the Hardi-
board products are available in 34 colors and are pre-primed and painted. He
noted that a customized color can be requested as well.
In response to questions from Board member Diamond, Mr. Mulcrone confirmed
that the material is flame retardant and is rated.
Mr. Ryan added that typically, a pre-finished product is used because it is primed
and as a result, is more durable. He noted that the nails are hidden.
In response to questions from the Board, Mr. Mulcrone presented a cross section
of a 200 Series Anderson window.
Mr. Ryan explained that since the last meeting, the windows were upgraded to
the 400 Series windows which have enhanced architectural details and muntins
between the panes as well as affixed to the inside and outside. He explained
that the product is a wood window wrapped with vinyl on the outside to weather
proof the frame.
In response to questions from Board member Diamond, Mr. Ryan confirmed that
based on staff direction, true cement, troweled stucco is now proposed. He
stated that the application of the stucco will be a multi-step process using
chicken wire, black paper and lathe.
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In response to questions from Board member Diamond, Mr. Wynsma reviewed
that there are three floor plans each of which can be configured in one of four
different architectural styles. He added that options are available for garage
orientations and rear elevations to the extent the options are workable on specific
lots. He stated that with the number of options offered, each home will have a
different appearance. He added that since the last meeting, refinements were
made to the roof forms, doors and windows.
In response to questions from Board member Diamond, Mr. Ryan explained that a
minimum landscape package will be installed with each home and will offer
sizable plantings.
In response to questions from Board member Diamond, Mr. Wynsma confirmed
that the Homeowners’ Association will be responsible for maintaining the
common areas, the street and for snow plowing. He noted that the Homeowners’
Association’s assessment will be used to pay for the cost of that work. He stated
that property owners will be able to enhance the landscaping on their property
and add pools or hardscape as permitted by the Declaration of Covenants and
City Code.
In response to questions from Board member Friedman, Mr. Ryan confirmed that
broad focus groups were conducted by William-Ryan Homes to understand
buyers’ interests. He stated that the target market for this development is empty
nesters in the age range of 40 to 60 years old. He noted that single parents may
also be attracted to the development. He noted that the development will
appeal to anyone who does not want the burden of maintenance, people who
value time more than viewing the house as an asset.
In response to questions from Board member Friedman, Mr. Wynsma confirmed
that Northshore will build the homes. He reviewed the overall development plan
noting there will be a water feature associated with the detention ponds. He
noted that the road is on high ground and the site terraces down to the water
features and offers long views across open space. He pointed out that a bio
swale is located between the homes and the common central open space. He
reiterated that the changes in topography offer the opportunity for variations in
the rear elevations of the homes.
In response to questions from the Board, Mr. Ryan noted that the price points are
anticipated around 1.2 to 1.4 million but commented that further due diligence is
being done on the price points.
Board member Friedman stated that given the anticipated price, aesthetics is
very important. He stated that it is in the developer’s best interest to position the
product to move well and reiterated that this is the last large piece of property
centrally located in Lake Forest. He explained that when people move to Lake
Forest, they expect a certain cache in the home product. He stated support for
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use of the engineered product for the accent elements as discussed, but
expressed concern about some of other materials proposed, Hardi-board and
asphalt shingles. He noted that given the proposed materials, in combination, the
homes may look very “engineered”. He agreed that the engineered materials
require less maintenance, but noted that the homes will not have a timeless
quality or a sense of style. He encouraged the developer to carefully consider
the materials noting that providing for a historical reference is important in Lake
Forest. He spoke to the Colonial plan noting that the dormer needs to be
enlarged, refined or eliminated. He explained that the roof is too expansive for
the size of the dormer. He stated that the architectural styles associated with the
homes should be more clearly reflected in the designs.
Commissioner Reda concurred with the comments of the other Board members.
He stated support for the project but encouraged continued refinement and
simplification. He agreed that the site is prominent and essentially the last
opportunity for a significant development in Lake Forest. He encouraged more
alignment with the selected architectural styles. He supported the use of a Board
subcommittee given the importance of this project. He expressed continued
concern about the rear elevations noting that they may appear large, vertical
and white.
In response to comments from the Board, Mr. Ryan stated that the plans are
strong and hit the market for this area. He reiterated his desire and willingness to
work with the City to achieve a good overall project. He stated that in response
to requests from the Board and suggestions from staff, the plans have been
modified and refined and the exterior materials upgraded. He stated that it is
important to bring the design process to a close so that the homes can be
marketed. He stated that the level of interest has been strong.
In response to comments from Board member Friedman, Mr. Ryan stated that the
land price was substantial. He explained that his company has over 50 houses on
the North Shore; at price points between $1.2 to $2.6 million dollars. He stated
confidence that they understand what buyers are looking for and their hierarchy
of wants and needs. He stated that during focus groups, there is always
significant interest in high end products and design elements but when discussing
a contract, interests tend to change a bit.
Board member Friedman explained that Lake Forest has its own set of unique
challenges and history. He re-stated his concern about the engineered feel of
the exterior materials.
Board member Diamond commented that consumers are looking for individuality.
In response to comments from Board member Friedman, Mr. Ryan noted that the
impact of the exterior materials is softened because the homes are viewed as a
single level from the street. He acknowledged that the rear elevations as shown
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may not have been the best representations of what is intended noting that the
Eclectic style, rather than the Farmhouse style will present greater variation on the
rear elevation, and less verticality. He noted that buyers are looking for backyard
living space and openness. He noted that various upgrades will be available for
the backs of the houses including: a covered deck, screen rooms, sunrooms, and
larger decks across the back of the house. He commented that with the different
choices available, the backs of the houses will look more haphazard than
presented.
In response to comments from Board member Friedman, Mr. Wynsma explained
that early on, developing a community more like Conway Farms or Willow Lake
was considered but noted that type of development can get monotonous. He
stated that as designed, this development is intended to appeal to buyers looking
for uniqueness in their own homes and more variety in the neighborhood.
In response to questions from Chairman Notz, Mr. Humm reviewed the site plan
noting the limitations of the various lots and the options that are functionally able
to be constructed on the various lots with respect to the rear elevations.
In response to questions from Chairman Notz, Mr. Wynsma clarified that the
majority of the lots will support a three car garage.
Mr. Ryan added that many of the lots can accommodate side load garages. He
noted that options for side load garages were added to improve the overall
development.
In response to questions from Chairman Notz, Mr. Ryan explained that a model of
each floor plan will be constructed on lots spread across the development. He
noted that they plan to s tart building on the east side to minimize traffic impacts
on neighbors.
Chairman Notz suggested that a maximum number of any particular floor plan or
architectural style be considered so that variety in the development is assured.
In response to comments from Chairman Notz, Mr. Wynsma pointed out that
within each specific plan; there will be variety because of the options offered.
In response to questions from the Board member Diamond, Mr. Wynsma, stated
that side yard setbacks will be a minimum of 10 feet, with a 30 foot combined
distance from house to house.
Hearing no further questions from the Board, Chairman Notz invited public
comment.
Art Miller, representing the Preservation Foundation, reviewed a brief history of the
property. He stated that he is very interested in the success of the project. He
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noted that it is difficult to make a roof work on square houses. He stated that the
perspective images presented are helpful in understanding the intended
character and building forms. He stated that the side elevations need more
articulation. He noted that the three car garage option offers more depth to the
appearance of the homes and is helpful. He noted concern about the design
element that places a gable end, within a gable end. He noted that approach is
not desired and appears stagey. He noted that the dormers as presented are not
proportionate to the mass and height of the roof. He commented that the
strongest elevation is the French Eclectic design with the tall roof. He stated that
with the elimination of the double gable, the Cottage design is good. He
encouraged further study of the book entitled “Guide to American Houses” to
help identify elements and materials that are appropriate to each style. He
acknowledged that many options will be offered. He stated that the Farmhouse
style will not work with stone. He stated that if the designs are simple, the homes
will look larger and more elegant. He explained that trying to put too much on a
house in an effort to make it look bigger, has the opposite effect.
Tina, a resident on Ridge Road, stated that she lives across the street from the
barn and is a professional interior designer. She noted concern about the mix of
the low maintenance materials and authentic materials. She noted that the roofs
are prominent and questioned the use of asphalt over the cedar. She stated that
cedar roofs have a 20 year life span. She noted that if she was looking for a low
maintenance home, she would be happy with a twenty year roof. She suggested
that a cedar shingle roof would offer a better mix of low maintenance,
engineered materials, and authentic materials. She noted that she was
disappointed that the barns were demolished.
Sharon, a resident of 221 S. Ridge Road, stated that she lives directly across the
street from the development and has lived there for 25 years. She stated that she
would like to see this project be successful because it will protect her property
value. She stated that she was under the impression that the historic structures
were going to be moved, not demolished.
Lolla Skagnoli, 145 S. Ridge Road, asked if all of the properties would be
landscaped in the same way and whether homeowners would be able to
enhance the landscaping on their property. She asked whether fences would be
permitted and whether streetlights are proposed. She stated that the area is
beautiful now, without a lot of streetlights .
Hearing no further public testimony, Chairman Notz invited the petitioner to
respond to public testimony.
Mr. Ryan explained that homeowners will be allowed to fence around the back
yards with an approved open fence. He explained that the landscaping
package that will be installed with each home is substantial adding that
homeowners will be able to enhance the plantings if the desire to do so. He
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confirmed that architectural asphalt roofing has a longer life span than cedar
shake but noted that cedar roofing could be offered as an option.
In response to remaining questions, Mr. Wynsma noted that the lack of chimneys
was raised by staff. He stated that in response, they will offer the option of adding
a brick or stone chimney but noted that most of the houses are designed with
inboard fireplaces. He added that not everyone wants a fireplace. He noted that
windows extend all across the rear elevations and pointed out that add a
chimney will require blocking some of the windows. He stated that eleven
streetlights are planned in the subdivision. He stated that the streetlights are the
standard Lake Forest streetl ights and are intended to add low level light for safety
without being overwhelming. He added that there will be no lights in the open
space areas.
He explained that the caretaker’s house was never intended to be restored or
replicated. He continued noting that the stable and lodge were not structurally
sound enough to be moved and instead, will be reconstructed. He stated that
the plan is to integrate the reconstructed structures into the development. He
added that some elements of the structures were saved and noted that
measured drawings of the structures were prepared to allow replication.
Chairman Notz invited a staff response to public comments.
Ms. Czerniak confirmed that the development approvals acknowledged that the
historic buildings would be replicated, rather than moved.
A neighboring property owner noted that anything is possible with enough
money. She stated that she is disappointed that the buildings were demolished.
In response to the neighbor, Board member Notz noted that there are economics
involved and that the developer is making a huge investment to replicate the
structures .
Board member Friedman commented that it may be more expensive to replicate
the buildings than to restore the original structures. He noted however that there
was probably a lot of rot, bug damage and mold impacting the structures.
In response to questions from a resident, Mr. Ryan explained that the historic
structures were neglected for decades. He stated that if they had been better
maintained, the approach would have likely been different. He stated that it was
not feasible to save the structures.
Mr. Miller added that the structures have been derelict since 1972.
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Chairman Notz stated appreciation for the efforts to try to preserve what can be
salvaged. Hearing no further public comment, he returned the petition to the
Board for final comments and action.
Board member Reda stated that the project has made good progress. He stated
support for the recommendations in the staff report. He reiterated that further
refinement of the elevations is necessary to conform to the selected architectural
styles. He stated support for appointing a subcommittee to resolve the remaining
issues.
Board member Freidman asked if the staff report and minutes will speak
thoroughly enough to the items discussed by the Board. He stated support for a
subcommittee with the understanding that the petitioner is committed to working
with the subcommittee with an open mind and willingness to resolve the open
items. He acknowledged the timing concerns of the petitioner.
Board member Diamond concurred with the comments of Board members Reda
and Friedman. He pointed out that the simplicity of the historic Adler and Shaw
structures is a welcome sight. He noted that working towards that same elegant
simplicity for the elevations of the new homes will benefit the developers.
Chairman Notz admitted to having a strong aversion to Hardi-board noting that
the product has not evolved to the degree that it looks close enough to a natural
material . He noted that it is one thing where one house is constructed with Hardi
board siding, but another when an entire neighborhood is constructed of the
product. He stated that use of natural materials should be reconsidered. He
suggested that this topic be discussed by the subcommittee.
Board member Friedman stated that Hardi-siding does not have character. He
questioned whether the development will be successful at the suggested price
points with all Hardi-board construction. He suggested that the development will
be more successful with a greater number of natural products mixed with some
appropriate engineered materials. He agreed that exterior materials should be a
significant item for consideration by the subcommittee.
In response to comments from Board member Friedman, Mr. Ryan stated that
they are willing to work on addressing the Board’s high priority concerns. He
noted that each of the changes discussed will add to the developer’s costs. He
stated that natural materials could be offered as options, but he noted that there
is a cost to having various designs developed. He noted that he is open to
working with the committee to achieve greater simplification.
Board member Reda assured the developer that the subcommittee will be
reasonable and responsive.
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Board member Notz stated that he is in the real estate business and understands
the developer’s position. He offered his commitment that the project will get the
attention needed to allow it to continue to move forward. He stated that the
experience with subcommittees in the past is that they help to move projects
along.
Hearing no further comments from the Board, Chairman Notz invited a motion.
Board member Reda made a motion to recommend approval of the petition
subject to review and approval of refined designs and final exterior materials by a
subcommittee of the Board. He noted that the subcommittee should assure that
the concerns and questions raised by the Board are fully vetted and responded
to appropriately. He noted that in particular, the elevations should be refined to
be consistent with the selected architectural styles, exterior materials reviewed to
assure that they are of high quality and consistent with the chosen style and that
the plans are generally in conformance with the following conditions. He added
that at the subcommittee’s discretion, the petition can be referred back to the
full Board if a satisfactory resolution cannot be achieved.
1. True cement stucco shall be used.
2. Windows shall be wood, metal clad or fiberglass and shall have interior and
exterior affixed muntins.
3. The mix of side load and front load garages should generally achieve a
balance throughout the project to the extent possible due to the limitations
of the lots. The mix of front and side load garages should be subject to staff
review and approval.
4. An option for a masonry or brick chimney shall be offered for each
architectural style.
5. To assure diversity within the development, limit the number of homes, in
any one architectural style, to no more than ten of the twenty-six homes.
Require at least three homes to be constructed in each architectural style.
6. Expand the color palette to include some deeper, earth tones for the siding
materials to avoid monotony of neutral colors.
7. All changes and refinements made to the plans after the Board’s review
shall be highlighted on the plans submitted for permit. A copy of the plans
submitted to the Board shall accompany the plans submitted for permit.
Staff is directed to review the plans and all refinements, in consultation with
the Chairman as appropriate, to confirm that the plans are in conformance
with the Board’s direction.
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8. Mock-ups shall be constructed, on the homes, of cementitious shakes and
board and batten prior to installation of the materials to allow verification
by the Board subcommittee that the materials, in the context of the site
and the new home, have a high-quality appearance. (If wood products
are used, no mock-up is required.)
Board member Freidman seconded the motion.
The motion was approved by a 4 to 0 vote.
OTHER ITEMS
4. Opportunity for the public to address the Building Review Board on non-agenda
items.
There was no additional public testimony presented to the Board.
5. Additional information from staff.
There was no additional information presented by staff.
The meeting was adjourned at 8:54 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Catherine J. Czerniak
Director of Community Development